IRC Meetings

December Koha General IRC Meeting

November 21st, 2010
December 8, 2010
10:00 amto11:00 am

The next general IRC Meeting will take place on the 8th of December at 10:00 UTC+0

The agenda as of today reads:

  • Update on Roadmap to 3.2

  • Update on Roadmap to 3.0
  • Update on Roadmap to 3.4
  • Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting, 10 November 2010.
  • Agree times of next meetings.

To add to the agenda or see the most recent updates visit the official meeting wiki page.

November Monthly Koha IRC Meeting

October 30th, 2010
November 10, 2010
7:00 pmto8:00 pm

The November Monthly Koha IRC Meeting has been scheduled for the 10th of November. All times are in UTC+0.

Agenda (at the time of this posting)

  1. Update on Roadmap to 3.2
  2. Update on Roadmap to 3.0
  3. Update on Roadmap to 3.4
  4. Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting, 6 October 2010.
  5. Agree times of next meetings.

More information and updated agenda can be found on the wiki.

Monthly #koha Meetings

May 3rd, 2010
May 4, 2010
7:00 pmto8:00 pm
May 5, 2010
7:00 pmto8:00 pm

For all who are interested the following monthly IRC meetings on #koha will be held this week:

Handover Meeting 04 May 2010 @ 1900 UTC

Community Meeting 05 May 2010 @1900 UTC

Please review the meeting agendas by selecting the links above. You may also click on the meeting date to convert to your timezone. If you are unfamiliar with or do not have access to an irc client on your computer, you may use the web based Mibbit client by clicking here. Please use the ‘/nick’ command to change your nick to something meaningful. (ie. /nick jdoe)

HLT Koha Committee report on discussions with PTFS

April 29th, 2010
May 4, 2010
7:00 pmto8:00 pm

Over the last 2 weeks the Horowhenua Library Trust Koha Subcommittee (The Committee) has been communicating with John Yokley from PTFS. We believe it is past time that we inform the Koha community on where things stand at the moment.

NZ Koha Trademark

It had come to our attention that in February 2010 Metavore, INC. DBA LibLime filed an application to register the Koha trademark in New Zealand. When the Committee became aware of this action by Joshua Ferraro, on the 15th April, we wrote to John Yokley drawing to his attention to the application and inviting PTFS to withdraw it.

Inaccurate Trademark statements

The Committee were also concerned about recent changes made to the trademark and copyright statements which have appeared on the LibLime site in recent weeks:

“Koha and the Koha logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of LibLime in the United States and other countries.

This statement is wrong and we requested that the earlier version be reinstated:

“Koha and the Koha logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of LibLime and BibLibre in the United States, France and other countries”.

Secrecy

John Yokley approached a number of individuals to discuss Koha business but these discussions did not eventuate for 2 reasons. Firstly, a non-disclosure agreement was required to be signed and secondly the Committee believes that PTFS needed to work with the Committee as the elected representatives of the community on the issue of the Koha trademarks and website. We assured John of our discretion, reserving the right to publish a précis of discussions that touch on Koha project policy, and welcomed the opportunity to enter into discussions.

On Monday 26th April John wrote to 4 Committee members requesting an official response to Kelly Sherman’s request for collaborative help in supporting the Koha.org web site. The community response to Kelly’s request had been consistent: the community home is now koha-community.org, come join us and please redirect all traffic from koha.org to the new site. This was interpreted by John as being negative.

Our individual responses to the discussion list supported the community opinion. None of the individuals who comprise the Committee have any authority to make agreements or commitments on behalf of the community. When PTFS were ready to work with the Committee we would respond in a timely manner, after considering the issues with the best interests of the Koha global community interests at heart.

Working with HLT Koha Committee

The Committee has written twice to John Yokley issuing invitations to work with the Koha Committee to resolve outstanding issues. This invitation was accepted earlier this week, and The Committee have been invited to participate in a conference call.

The Koha community’s preferred method of working is in an open and transparent manner. However, as an acknowledgment of LibLime/PTFS sensitivity around the community asset issues the Committee believed we were authorised to work privately with PTFS to settle these issues.

We were not comfortable with a conference call and explained this to John:

“The Koha community has established ways of communicating: email and IRC. Email allows participation of all parties regardless of timezones and allows a thoughtful, considered response. IRC allows for collaboration and real time discussion. Once again though everyone has a voice and has a chance to absorb, digest, translate and contribute to the conversation – even if the thread has moved on.

There is concern that the proposed conference call will be ineffective. To begin, not everyone can attend at the proposed time. Moreover, there is scope for varying interpretations of what has been agreed. Frankly we prefer our well established processes, described above, as they have proven effective over many years.”

John has proposed 3 agenda items:

1. The Integration of acquired assets with community versions of the Koha software
2. PTFS involvement in the Koha Project Organization
3. Koha.org/Koha-Community.org Web Site

The Committee proposed the following agenda:

1. Pointing koha.org to koha-community.org,
2. Transferring the koha.org domain to HLT,
3. Withdrawal of application for the New Zealand Koha trademark,
4. Correction of the false trademark statements on LibLime website,
5. USA Koha trademarks,
6. PTFS involvement in Koha project,
7. Reintegration of LEK back into Koha.

The Koha Committee believe that items [1] through [4] could all be solved by PTFS very quickly. They are very important to the Koha Community and probably non-negotiable.

The Committee believes that items [6] and [7] are outside the scope of what the Koha Committee have been authorised to do. Our only role is to advise the Trustees, whose only role is to hold property on behalf of the community.

[6] It is entirely up to PTFS to decide whether they want to be involved in the Koha community or not. We would all like PTFS to be a part of the community.

[7] The reintegration of LEK back into the Koha project would be great – but again it is entirely a PTFS business decision. A reading of the lists confirms that the Koha Community would love to have PTFS back in the Koha project. After all, most of the LibLime clients acquired by PTFS thought they were buying into Koha as an open source community project, not LEK which is a closed proprietary one.

John Yokley is not prepared to discuss issues with the Committee via email or IRC. He reads our flagging of the non-negotiable items as The Committee indicating that we don’t really want PTFS as a corporate partner and that we are looking for an excuse to terminate our discussion and any possibility of coming to an agreement. John also believes that the committee is more interested in playing politics than working together globally to build a better open source ILS for libraries.

The Committee disagrees with that last assertion. We have been acting to fulfill our remit to secure Koha project assets as directed by the community.

The Committee Position.

The Koha Committee reasserts its belief in the core values that have sustained and will continue to sustain Koha:

  • Koha is a good that collectively belongs to its users and developers
  • Open communication on matters of interest to Koha users and developers
  • For-profit and non-for-profit organizations all have a role to play in strengthening Koha, but on the basis of open partnership
  • Koha community assets should be held in trust for the benefit of the whole community, and are not the sole property of any commercial entity

The specific remit of the Committee includes the following aim: “to advise the Trustees regarding the acquisition and safeguarding of property of the Koha project.” The Committee considers the koha.org domain to be historically and properly the property of the Koha community, and will still aim to secure the domain for the Horowhenua Library Trust for eventual transfer to a non-profit foundation or other collaborative organisation for Koha. However, the Committee also sees that the koha-community.org family of websites is a good new home for the global Koha project. While it is our preference that PTFS transfer the domain and the US trademark interest in Koha to the Trust, we do not view ourselves as being dependent on any action by PTFS.

The Committee is, and will always, stand ready to engage in communication with PTFS. However, we also firmly believe that a true partnership with any corporate citizen of the Koha community must be made on the basis of respect for the history and norms of the Koha project.

The Committee would like to call a community handover meeting on 4 May 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 on the #koha IRC channel to discuss our report. As usual, all members of the Koha community, including management representatives from PTFS, are invited.

April Monthly Community Handover IRC Meeting

March 22nd, 2010
April 6, 2010
7:00 pmto8:00 pm

The next Community Handover Koha IRC meeting will take place on Tuesday, 6 April 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 in the Koha IRC channel. Add your agenda items to the official meeting wiki page.

April Monthly General IRC Meeting

March 22nd, 2010
April 7, 2010
10:00 am

The next general Koha IRC meeting will take place on Wednesday, 7 April at 10:00 UTC+0 in the Koha IRC channel. Add your agenda items to the official meeting wiki page.